Why trade pineda

Once he leaves the organization and hits free agency things will get more uncertain. Market conditions will dictate his new salary. Maybe there's no market for him, but I gotta think he would at least get JA Happ money. If the season is sink, sank, sunk then trade him for prospects and resign him in the winter if we want him back.

Three years and 30 starts according to BR - that use to be a starting pitchers one season. Suspension plus injuries have not kept him in the rotation. His body looks like it could break down at any time. Three years 3 WAR that is 1 per year - replacement level. We say that, but how often does it really happen?

I can think of Aroldis Chapman going back to the Yankees 4 years ago. Who else? I think he'd probably be affordable and is a solid mid-rotation guy to help you get through a season. Can eat innings without hurting you.

As long as his contract doesn't restrict you too much then great, sign him. Best comment ever. I like Pineda, but I'm sure there are analytic wonks that know better than me. Let him know. Up to him if he comes back. I wouldn't mind a signing But it's not what Tampa would do. Extend Big Mike to a similar term as the last extension. It appears Big Mike might have an arm issue--the dreaded "forearm tightness". Before any extension is considered, it is paramount that the arm issue be cleared up.

As am I Not sure they've developed a fielder that can field either I continue to be amazed at what Tampa does. And what is their payroll? Is it half what the Twins have? Off the top of my head, the Twins did it with Rick Aguilera in The Cubs did it with Jason Hammel in It's not common, but the sample is fairly small and biased against re-signing -- usually the team trading the player has a replacement ready, or no longer desires the player's services i.

No surprise that the handful of examples are pitchers, since teams usually need an abundance of pitchers. Edit 2: not deadline deals, but Cliff Lee and JA Happ were traded in one offseason, then re-signed with those clubs the next offseason. I will echo your thoughts.

If the deal is too good to pass up trade him. If you don't think you can extend him, trade him. If you can extend and there is no great trade deal to be had hang onto him it is not like we have tons of starter that can give us the good innings he does. With Sano now 59 K 39 games our big sluggers are K in 99 games. What more could you ask for? Pineda has been very consistent when he has pitched - the one issue I have is that he has had a hard time completing a full season either due to injury or suspension.

He is not getting any younger either. He would probably be a fairly valuable trade asset come deadline time as the acquiring team knows he only has to last a couple of months with them and he will give them a solid consistent performance. To me if we get a valuable offer we have to trade him. This assumes his forearm stiffness is nothing and goes away. I would not object to keep him if either he signed a team-friendly 2 yr contract at about the same level he is now and we do not get a valuable trade offer for him.

We will still need arms to let the prospects develop. Good idea! The Chris Archer trade was one of the best ever. I guess that trade is more analogous to trading Berrios as Archer was traded at the deadline with the remainder of that season and the next under contract.

He is a front of the rotation guy if he can command that stuff reasonably well. Sure would like the Twins to pull off something similar.

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By darin Started Thursday at AM. By Squirrel Started October By Seth Stohs Started 22 hours ago. By Cody Christie 5 hours ago. By Ted Schwerzler 6 hours ago. Twins Daily News. The Michael Pineda Conundrum. Only time will tell how this trade will be viewed going forward. Both players are very talented at the moment and it could turn out to benefit both teams, but pitchers are just as hard to project as hitters.

The Yankees and Mariners have depth at the positions they traded away, so the move makes sense in that regard. The Mariners have a lot of pitching depth, including the addition of Japanese pitcher Hisashi Iwakuma, but Pineda would have certainly been a better long-term in that rotation. Pineda did struggle in the second half of the season, posting a record with a 4. That is the most worrisome stat line to me and it could mean he will start in Triple-A if he does not impress in spring training.

The Yankees are stockpiling pitchers this offseason because they certainly have some question marks in the rotation. While Ivan Nova had an unbelievable season, no pitcher is immune to struggles and teams will start to figure out what he's got.

Phil Hughes and A. Burnett also had a tough time keeping their ERA's down, and one can only hope Freddy Garcia can reach 12 wins again like he did in With Pineda and Hiroki Kuroda, who has been one of the more consistent Japanese pitchers in recent memory, the Yankees have options that do not necessarily need to be exhausted out of spring training. They are not the most glamorous moves, but they should help a pitching staff that struggled in the postseason.

The Mariners really swooped in and made a good deal. The fact that they were able to pry Jesus Montero away, who is known for having a great bat and will likely be the teams DH, could pay massive dividends in the years to come. Now, it is easy to be skeptical of this move considering how it worked out for the Red Sox with Daisuke Matsuzaka.

You can make all the arguments: he is younger, not as over-worked, but the fact of the matter is that he is likely going to cost the team a total of million dollars when it is all said and done and no pitcher has proven to be worth that much.

The Red Sox and Cubs are experienced bidders in the posting process, but both bid considerably less than the Rangers, which means they weren't about to make the same mistake twice.

The Rangers hope Darvish can adjust and be the pitcher he was in Japan, but he will have to exceed expectations to be worth what the Rangers will ultimately pay for him. When the Angels signed Albert Pujols, people were shocked that it was the Angels, not the Cardinals , who landed the coveted free agent.

He was not even that coveted! Yes, teams would have loved to have him, but it was the Cardinals race to lose and very few teams were seriously involved. No one can blame Pujols for taking the lucrative Angels offer. He received a hefty contract from the Angels that awards him for being the superstar player he is. The team also signed left-handed ace C. It took longer than expected, but that was okay. The next Yankees ace was emerging. It was expected that Pineda would take the next step forward in For a moment, it looked like he did.

Through May 5th, he owned a 2. His 16 strikeouts tied David Cone for most in a single game by a right-hander in Yankees history. Pineda was that good. He had put it all together and made the trade worthwhile. Unfortunately, the success proved unsustainable. In the time since the strikeout game, Pineda has posted a 4. He still strike out a ton, but he also gives up an inordinate amount of home runs.

As Ben Diamond recently pointed out , depending on his pitch location, Pineda can either fan 10 batters or allow eight runs in four innings. Pineda has now carved out a niche as one of the most enigmatic pitchers in baseball.

There are moments of transcendence, moments where it appears that he will never allow another hit again. The complete Michael Pineda experience has been on display for about two seasons now. In both instances, the Yankees were in desperate need of pitching.

Heading into the season, the Yankees also needed rotation help. The team relied on Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon the previous year. While they brought Garcia back, that still left more to be desired.

It appeared that the Yankees were in for a quiet offseason in terms of pitching before it all changed on a cold Friday evening in mid-January. As far as baseball is concerned, plans can change in an instant. Top prospects and young talents, who were never thought to be available, could be traded. Who knows—it might be the Yankees who swing the next blockbuster. This is worth mentioning because the Yankees have arguably the premier farm system in baseball. They also have their highest touted prospect, in Gleyber Torres , since Montero.

According to Jim Callis , Torres slots as his second-best prospect in the game. He would command the young, frontline starter that has eluded the Yankees in recent offseasons. Trading prospects is part of the game. Living through these trades is part of being a fan. The Pineda-Montero trade illustrates that in the clearest possible way.

Over the last five years, this trade put those words into action. There were peaks and valleys; breathtaking surprises and utterly predictable failures; moments of victory and of loss.

Our collective experience of the trade covered the spectrum of what it feels like to be a fan. He is slated for free agency following this season.

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